Big day for Suffern
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I know it’s been a while since I last posted, but now is as good a time as any to come back. Not one, but two former Section 1 players were just drafted into the NHL by the San Jose Sharks yesterday—Suffern twins Justin and Drew Daniels. Justin was picked in the third round (62nd overall), while Drew was selected in the seventh round (194). They are the first Mounties ever taken in the NHL draft.
Here’s the article from Sunday’s paper. And here’s a story from the New England Hockey Journal that can catch you up on what the Daniels have been doing since leaving Suffern.
Speaking of Suffern, the ‘92 state championship team will be inducted into the NYS Hockey Hall of Fame on Saturday, March 14, 2009 at the Final Four in Utica. Coach John Orlando would like as many players as possible attend the ceremony, so if any of those Suffern alumns are reading this, make sure your teammates know about it.
Thanks to everyone for keeping up with the blog.
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Congratulations to the Daniels boys and the entire Suffern hockey community. I hope that this does not set of a rash of false hopes. Many may assume that since these two outstanding players were drafted that they too can be drafted. Many who played with and against these two outstanding players will think that they are draft material by association. Take a reality check before thinking that. These two totally dominated every place they played. As under classman in Section 1 they were dominant players. In Prep school they clearly were dominant players. Wish them the best
It is difficult to say who is and who is not draftable. These kids are under 160 lbs and were still drafted. They must have amazing skills.
Natoli from suffern and connor from mamk dominated in big games this past year. I don't even think Connor is going to play in college club hockey , partly due to him not having the passion to do it, and partly his size.
I wonder if Connor had the same passion for the game if he would have a shot at D1. I guess it doesnt matter though does it?
As for the above post… trust me, you will now have many more transfers from top section 1 players who want to chase the dream. I guess I can't blame them, give it a shot. As long as the parents want to flip the bill.
Even the Daniel boys are going to have a tough time. They have all the skills and the talent but now they both are going to play Juniors somewhere in the midwest for 1-2 years and then go to Northeastern. Who knows how they will match up with other top players.
Concerning Connor, he's is a good High School Player. And can make a good Club Hockey team….. But in my opinion, D1 is a "FAR" "FAR" Reach.
Even Natoli is going to have a tough time. His chances are very slim to make a D1 team. Alot of very good goalies out there!From all over the US and other countries! But who knows.
Good Luck to All!!!!
If you are in upperclassman playing in sec. 1, you are not getting drafted. The Daniels were the best players in the section as sophmores, then left for a real good Prep school. The only player in public hs I've heard of that will get drafted is Andy Iles. Played as a freshman for Ithaca, has a save % higher then his GAA, and won a state championship giving up 1 goal in about 12 periods in the final 2 games. Yeah, it takes alot to get drafted.
In order for them to get drafted/d1 they had to be the BEST in public high school, then did 2 years at a prep school, where they were the BEST. Even after that Northeastern still didnt want them until they did a year in the USHL. Now they are going to do that year in the USHL and will be 20 year old freshmen for the 09-10 season.
Good point Sect1 fan. Unfortunately people will think that it is easy to go D1 or get drafted. It isnt. The Daniels dominated and I believe were allstate players as sophomores? I didnt know of anyone in Section 1 hockey or the Catholic leagues that can say that. They went to prep and were the best there too. and yes they will need to prove it again in a major junior setting. Just becuase you can step on the ice and play with or agianst them doesnt make you as good as them
Good post. True, those kids were the all state players? as sophomores. I don`t think there are any others in Sect 1 or the catholic league that were or are as dominant as these kids were as sophomores. Then they went to prep school and were the best there too. Just because you can step on the ice andplay with or against them doesnt make you as good as them. Keep in mind like Sect1 said they will have to prove themselves in a very high junior league now as well.
So basically what we are saying is this….
Hockey s**ks as far as college is concerned. It is extremely hard to play college hockey, and almost impossible to get drafted. Even if you are good enough to play D1, you will have to do 2 years of prep school and play in some top notch juniors league.
IT is truly a brutal sport, even if you are outstanding here, you have such a little shot to do anything in this sport.
In baseball and basketball we have so many true freshman that play in college right off the bat, we even have a lot of D1 football players. Hockey is a big tease, if you love to play it, you gotta play it for the love of the game… not for any other reason. If parents think this will get them a scholarship… they are dreaming. Hockey is an absurd commitment financially, time-wise, and stress wise.
The long road in hockey is insane.
You look at Natoli, he was one of the best goalies in NY state… where did that get him? Nowhere. How much money do you think Natoli put in to hockey? Between pads, ice time, travel teams etc? I am sure he loves it, but damn, financially hockey is a money pit.
You play hockey cause you love it. Period!
Don't expect anything other than good times, keeping your kid off the street etc. Want a free ride play lacrosse then. You got a better chance. It is about staying off drugs, getting a good education, being disciplined and enjoying your teen years. If you want to go further than you need to play juniors, USHL or in Canada. PG two years and then hope you make a DI college. If it doesn't work then you are 19 or 20 and playing DIII hockey.
Good luck but just enjoy it all and go for it if you really feel you want.
We would have plenty of slots available on Div 1 and Div 3 college rosters if we didnt allow so many student athletes from Canada. The percentages of Canadien players on U.S. college rosters is extremely high. In basketball and baseball the international student percentage is quite low, thus allowing more U.S. born athletes to get a good education, play a sport, and get scholarship money. Always found it odd as to why that is the way it is. If you limited the amount of international students on college rosters you would do a great service to our kids.
Not quite the way it is.
If their were great Canadian baseball or basketball players out there, they would be getting U.S. college scholarships. The U.S. kids get the majority of scholarships beacuse they are better at these sports.
But with hockey, the schools and coaches want to win so they go where the players are. Thats Canada.
There are also relatively few NCAA hockey programs making it even more difficult to snag a scholarship. I'd guess, and please correct me, that there are no more than 70 D1 or D3 programs. Whereas almost every U.S. College and community college has a basketball and baseball program. I'd also guess that these programs must number a couple of hundred.
If you are under 6'6" your odds at a hockey scholarship are as close as getting a basketball scholarship.
correct travel team. However the point is that what advantage is there to give college roster spots to International students over U.S. students? Winning? I think that we should limit the spots and scholarship funds and keep it here for our kids.
The level of play would drop somewhat if you limit international students but U.S. kids would get a chance for an education at reasonable cost and a chance to play. I dont see the point of it either. To tighten the competition to eliminate U.S. kids makes no sense to me. Every team is loaded with international students. Why are we doing that?Our Tax $$$ subsidize these colleges and financial aid so I agree
Congratulations to Suffern's 1992 state champion team for being inducted into the NYS Hockey Hall of Fame.
I'll probably get grief for this though. But why?
Does evey hockey state champion team get inducted to the NYS Hockey Hall of Fame? I could understand induction into a "Rockland" or a "Section 1" Hall of Fame because of the uniqeness of a downstate state champion. Certainly, If any program from the area deserves this, it would be Suffern
Can someone more familiar with this team post more about its story. Summertime is as good as any to hear about great hockey teams of the past.
Great news about the Daniels twins. Last year New Rochelle native Kevin Shattenkirk was drafted in the first round. But he never played in Section 1, opting instead for Brunswick and then USNDP. Great to see two skaters who laced em up and played in Sec 1 HS games at local rinks got picked to be part of an NHL organization.
Travel Team-
The simple answer is yes, eventually every team gets inducted and it looks like this year it is the 1992 champs' turn. Here is the link to the Hall of Fame website: http://www.nyshshca.org/halloffame.htm which shows all of the individuals & teams that have been inducted. The only Section 1 representatives in there currently are John Orlando & John Zegras (the former long-time Rye coach for those of you that haven't been around long enough to remember him).
The '92 Suffern team, though, was a HUGE deal. Even though Section 1 hasn't won any state titles since, the guys from down here are getting respect from the upstate teams and coaches nowadays (based on the fact that teams other than Suffern are being invited to play upstate teams and also have a presence in the state rankings). Up until '92, no one from down here got any respect for being good, including Suffern who routinely went upstate to tournaments and had an annual presence in the state tourney.
That year, Suffern was 3-3 heading into Christmas and then flew to Norway for a tournament over Christmas break. They swept all three Norwiegan teams they played and didn't lose another game all year. In the championship game, the smallest kid on Massena had a couple inches and about 25 pounds on the biggest kid on Suffern, so to say physically it looked like a mis-match is an understatement (for those of you that watch South Park, it looked like the episode where the kids from South Park had a game against the Colorado Avalanche). And not only did they manage to keep pace with Massena, but they were able to pull it out in OT, where Suffern did not usually have a whole lot of luck. It really was an amazing season.
Assuming the induction ceremony will have John Orlando getting up to speak about that weekend in Utica, it's not something you would want to miss. Hopefully most of the '92 team will be able to make it up there, and hopefully Section 1 will be well represented in the tourney this year and there will be even more people who will get to see them inducted.
Thank you Lohud Hockey for that information. I was hoping you'd come through with some information and you did not disappoint. Sounds like a bit of a "Hoosiers" moment(s).
Congratulations to that teams accomplishment.
I love that episode of South Park…
Next season will be all about Mamaroneck. Mamaroneck will be the measuring stick. Losing only 2 regular players, and a whole host of seniors coming in from last years championship team, it will be hard to knock them off.
The Glaser boys and Hagan will be back and able to bring what it takes to win a state championship… as they did in baseball.
We will again see all the boloney about which team can "skate with Mamk or suffern" and a team or 2 will beat those teams probably during the regular season… however, it will again come down to Mamaroneck and Suffern for the Championship.
In D2 it will again be Pelham and Rye most likely.
There will be a lot of chirping etc just like last year. However, in the end, the cream will rise to the top, and all the talkers will quiet down in the end.
Rye Town takes a big hit from last years team. Mahopac will be a little better, White Plains will also get knocked down a few pegs. I don't think there will be any D2 teams that will beat Pelham or Rye.
Do not count out Suffern, why? because they are Suffern. Just like in division 2 Pelham is there every single year because they are Pelham, Suffern will be in that mix. I agree that the Tigers are loaded and had a great year last season and have unfinished business after the regional loss. There are teams and now Mamaroneck is in that group like Suffern and Pelham that are always there while other teams make occasional appearances these teams are in the finals every year
To SUFFERN-
I agree with you that Mamo, Suffern and Pelham are perennial playoff favorites each with a rich history that sets them apart from the other Section 1 teams. Before last season, North had a nice run of top teams. Rye was the standard bearer back in the 70's and 80's. Now, the Garnets hope to build off their recent playoff success starting with a close 3OT loss to an eventual state final 4 Pelham team in the '06 semis followed by consecutive Section championships in '07 and '08. Can't wait for the season to start.
DO NOT underestimate the power and dominance that one player can bring to Section 1. I'm talking about Willows and CN. From what I heard, Willows was just ranked in the top 10 for his age group in the entire country, no joke. The kid joined his Prep school team last year mid season and was still the leading scorer on the team by year's end. He can probably score at will in Section 1. Along with Shu coming back and McIndoe, and a couple other decent players to support these 3, CN can field a dangerous starting lineup.
Suff, Mamo, Pelham and Rye will all be decent, but I'm serious, CN cannot be overlooked next year.
i agree, Im a Suffern fan but if Matt Willows returns to CN next year, that gives CN the best player in the state, lightyears better than Conner. Willows scored over 100pts as a sophomore at North. This kid will easily break triple digits again.CN had no offense last season. With Willows back, along with Shuman, they have the top line in the section automatically, and puts CN as a top 4 team in the section preseason.
Why did willows leave prep school? Nobody has told me that yet?
For whatever reason, nobody fears willows. Maybe it is his size. Real good goal scorer, but does not instill fear in anyone. Nobody fears CN either, their run is over and if their goalie is still hurt forget about it. I don't care if they have Ovechkin on the team, they will be horrible.
ETB had an outstanding player in Hagan (Bronxville kid not Mamk) this year as well. Great goal scorer etc. He could not carry ETB in the Mamk game and ETB was pounded like 13-3 or something like that. Not saying Hagan is better than Willows, but it goes to show what happens when there is a 1 man show.
yup, agreed teams with one big star do not fair well in league one or in playoffs. At the end of the day against the best that left in playoffs team game rules. Yes I saw that Mamk-ETB game, ETB had strong forwards but no defense and weak gosltending. Couple that with ETB forwardsnot doing anything defensively and they got bopped. All the best teamsat the higher levels and those that win play a team game.
Hagan is good, but Willows scored 103 pts as a soph in league one..what did hagan do as a soph in league 3?
willows carried his team through the outbracket, i believe he scored like 4 or 5 goals against massena at massena in the playoffs.
he is the one player that can make a team (with mcindoe in net) an automatic contenter
Hagan is good, but Willows scored 103 pts as a soph in league one..what did hagan do as a soph in league 3?
willows carried his team through the outbracket, i believe he scored like 5 goals and 2 assists in a 7-2 win against massena at massena in the playoffs….15 goals, 11 assists, 26 points in 7 playoff games…and 9 hat tricks on the season
he is the one player that can make a team (with mcindoe in net) an automatic contenter
alex hagen had 55points….willows had 55 GOALS, and against much better teams
Congrats to the 92 team. There was alot of talent on that team, plus some great leadership from Gordon and Chapman!
North will be good this year with the top forward line, best goalie, and good young talent on defense. But they are razor thin after that.
It's actually better that they are in league 2. Willows won't have to play as much and Macindoe (off rehab from ACL surgery) can better get back into game shape.
They'll probably win league 2, but their real goal should be getting the team ready for the playoffs, which means a rested Willows, a healthy Macindoe and contributions from their number 7 to 10 players.
Watching Hagan at the Empire tryouts has been a treat. Maybe not a Willows, but probably the best in Section after that. And ETB has two pretty good Dmen (both played Tier I travel for a while) coming back. If they get some solid goaltending and their top players make the HS games, they could be there with North in League 2. Also, the Meany/O'Conner show at North Roc might be in that top of League 2 mix.
if willows is #10 in the country, why would he bother coming back to public school?
hshock- you know, I was kinda thinkin the same thing.
I think Willows is very skilled. But the difference is the supporting cast. He scored so much because of the other all state players on his line that year. Better teams will isolate him. Either he or Shu will spend most of the game in the penalty box. Now what happens? Just relax and wait for the season to begin before crowning CN winners of L2. What happens if Shu does not play again? Come on. No offence to Shu, but he is not a dominant player. Look at his travel stats. Does CN have some other more talented player that I don't know about?
Lets enjoy the summer and get back to talk about the 92 Mounties…
Yeah, lets here more about the 92 team!!!!!
Tell Papa Hagan to stop writing about his kid. His son is OK. No super star. He's no Willows! He's not even going to be the best Junior in the area this coming year. He's no Miano, He's no Cambria, He's no Pecse! and I'm missing a few others.
"My son Alex is the best player in Westchester, at Empires, in New York, in the northeast, on the east coast, north dakota, oregon, west virginia, wyoming, new mexico, canada, the middle east, the former soviet union, the solar system, and then to washington dc to take back the white house….HHHYEEEAAAAAA!"-Mr. Hagan, ETB
Maybe it's time to stop picking on individual kids or parents. It's just a game.
Anyone venture a guess on the 18 plus 2 roster that will be announced on Thurs night? Or is it too difficult since numerous names may be unknowed?
Excuse my spelling of "unknown".
Looks like it might be the weakest HV ESG team in quite some time.
For what its worth, I am not Hagen's family member. In fact, I have never met the kid. Just watched him play the last few weeks.
To ESG Team-
I think they post the team tomorrow nite. I don't know the names of all the Section 9 and private school kids, but the ones whose names I know (but might not know how to spell) and that have impressed me at camp include:
Goalie:
Wakefield- Burke Catholic, I think
Gluck- RCDS
Defense:
Garnet-MW
Turrin- formerly RCDS, now Milton
Meany- North Roc
Ojeda- Suffern
Clark- Brewster Midget
Schmatz- TP
Duffy- Pelham
Forward:
Cerbino- Canterbury (formerly MW)
Molinaro- Iona
Dimaggio- Yorktown
Weisburger- Brunswick
Hagen- ETB
Lean- Don Bosco
Hiller- Suffern
There are a few other really good forwards whose name I don't know. And then a battle for the last few forward slots.
Neither Ruthberg or Salt (Suffern graduating seniors) have been at camp in a while. Also, I have not seen Rui at all.
And no, I am not related to or have a particuarly close relationship with any player listed above.
And unless a few skaters who have not participated at camp in a while make the team, I am aware of only 3 skaters who actually took advantage of the special boys ice hockey eligibility rule for this year only (D man Garnet and forwards Cerbino and Dimaggio). D man Ojeda, the 4th graduating senior, has a late birthday and so he would be eligible even if the cutoff date was the September 1 date that all other teams have for this year.
Seniors have much more going on than juniors this time of year. While juniors can afford to give up 2 nights a week, many seniors have proms, graduations, college orientations, trips, etc. Also, many may not want to give up nights, weeks, and weekends, when they can spend time with friends (possibly the last time in a long time). This may contribute to why many of the eligible seniors elected not to participate in Empires this year. Lastly, some have other hockey commitments.
Hagan's dad is not the type that would write about his son. I also know of the other 3 sophmores mentioned. I'm not saying Hagan is better then them, but he is definately in the mix with them. His point totals are low because he missed about half his teams games. In the future, if you disagree with something somebody says, maybe you can be an adult and say "I disagree" instead of accusing whoever wrote it as the kids parent.
It is a shame that some repeat ESG players have decided not to play at the last minute. Not a knock on them. I imagine that if some juniors knew there was going to be more open spots, they may have registered and tried out.
They should have tried out regardless of how many 'open' spots they thought would be available.
Thats like saying, if I knew Harvard would have accepted me I would have applied there and then getting mad at the people that decided not to go to Harvard. Well, why didnt you? What stopped you from trying out and registering?
To might be weaker than normal-
I disagree with you regarding the skaters. Maybe lines 3 and 4 on this year's team are not as accomplished as last year's team, but at last year's games, lines 3 and 4 didn't see much ice. This year's team has 4 very good Dmen. I agree that the combo of Natoli and Reagan will be hard to replace. That is where the HV team may not be as strong as last year. But, my guess is that the other regions also have issues getting their graduating seniors to commit to the process. The HV boys should be in the hunt for a medal.
with 3 medals for 6 teams, EVERYONE is in the hunt for a medal haha
I think this years rosters is clearly weaker than what was fielded in the past. Not just in goal, which is obvious, but on D and upfront. I`m rooting for them, but I think its a clearly weaker club
if the other sections in the state don't have the same issues, eligible players opting not to play. Maybe the overall level will be lower than in the past
Did Luke Glaser try out for the ESG team? He is as good or better than the goalies they have. I guess with Mamaronecks run at the state baseball title (he is the starting 3rd baseman I think) he did not have the time to compete in hockey.
goalies
Luke Glaser did compete this year, but unfortunately did not make the cut. I think the 4 who qualified were Natoli,Wakefield, Gluck, Beneke. Natoli quickly dropped out due to other commitments.
I agree the HV team looks weaker than last year's. I mean, last year's team – Natoli, Reagan, Salt, Eck, Conner, King, Rodeschini, DiMaggio, etc. (pretty top notch players) – those guys could only win the Bronze. This year's team there are players that have only played against League 3 competition in their HS hockey careers (no offense to Hagen, Meany, etc.), and not as many top tier League 1 talent as their was in previous years (Daniels twins took HV to the Silver two years back). Hiller is good but he is small and is probably not used to not playing with Salt, Ruthberg, etc.
But, who knows? Maybe the other regions are experiecning the same problems.
fanotgame,
The reason you can claim that you aren't related to any of those kids is because you left off Mundinger. You have no idea how long it us took to figure out who you were.
I am anoutside observer but read your post, so Fanotgame is from Rye?
Who cares who fanotgame is related or not related to. Obviously he would be closely associated with section 1 hockey to post with mostly good knowledgeable information. So surely its no stretch that he would be a coach, player, or knowledgeable parent.
Either way fanotgame posts are usually informative, positive and never demeaning.
Players good enough to play in the ESG didnt develope there skills through high school. There is no disadvantage to playing in a lower league for a players ability. The only disadvantage is nobody here takes their accomplishments seriously. I'm pretty sure that Meany has been playing travel all year and the reason people know Hagen here is because he missed several high school games for travel. The top teams are supposed play in L1, not the most talented individuals.
if the seniors played this year the hv team would have faired pretty well. if they did you would have players like rui, rodeschini, king, mccabe, douglass, keagan, novick, eck, sigona, latino and i'm sure i'm forgetting some more. now that is some talent right there. maybe even silver or gold
Agreed. Some of those League 2 and 3 guys are really strong palyers. The only knock is that when they are on weaker teams and have nobody near their skill level to paly with they become one man teams. That never works at the highest level. They become travel players and maybe dont play two way hockey. At Empires two way hockey is a must, just like at any other high level section of play
Most lower league players with high skill certainly shine in these league games. I don't by that their skills or abilities diminsh from playing 15-20 high school games a year at a league 3 or 4 level.
Many of them have been playing up to 50 plus travel games since the age of 8 and younger, often at AAA or AA levels.
Do they play the high school game differently? Of course. They are probably on the ice far more often than in a travel game and their individual skill is more noticeable than the teams' skill, ability or effort. However, when these players are back with their clubs they typically return to the team oriented game they've been trained in, fitting in with the other skilled players on the club.
The kids themselves are very well aware of who the real deal players are throughout the 4 leagues.
I think most travel games lend themselves to one way play and run and gun since they play so many games and against varying degree of talent
I am starting to miss some of the Suffern controversy. This blog is boring. I guess I'll have to wait to November. Come on Suffern. There must be something going on in that interesting town.
We have kind of gotten off the subject, but I am very interested in hearing about the 92 team. It really is an accomplishment to win states. Who were the main players on that team? Did they go anywhere? I know that McCarren played the year before and he was their scoring. It must have been an amazing feeling. I am sure that they have some great memories! Anyone who can remember, please let us know!
probably the greatest upset in NY HS Sports history. Suffern was the only team pretty much south of Albany to win a state hockey title. Orlando was inducted into the HS Hall of Fame for it.
Wrong, Monroe-Woodbury won the state title 2 years ago. They are way south of albany.
Section 1 has been doing real well in the state tournament the last 5 years or so, I predict that a section 1 team wins the state title in the next couple of years.
Last year Massena won the state title, but had to beat Mamaroneck (first round) in OT to do it. Also, there were some highly controversial calls in that game that went against Mamk.
ESG Roster
Roster finally came out tonight for the HV team. I'm not sure of all the positions, but tried my best.
Forwards:
F. Dimaggio
C. Leen
C. Reinfried
A. Hagen
R. Molinaro
Z. Hiller
C. Cerbino
B. Weisburger
S. O'Connor
Defense:
J. Turrin
M. Duffy
J. Garnet
T. Clarke
Goalies:
M. Beck
J. Gluck
Unknown position:
J. McMahon
C. Meiley
C. Frei
M. Chiachia
C. Campagna
Alternates:
J. Healey
D. Wakefield
P. Mundinger
C. Meaney
K. Norwin
Congrats to all.
YEA MIKE DUFFY.
if the top graduating seniors from westchester played than the team would have been loaded
i meant to add that they were the first to do it UNTIL MW won the other year..but MW won as a massive school that played D2
also, there were some highly controversial calls that went for mamaroneck that got them to that game…thats the way the cookie crumbles pal
team would have been loaded with the graduating seniors from rockland as well: Natoli, Salt, Ojeda, Conklin, Ruthberg to name a few
Wishing the Esg team luck and not to throw a damper on it but it is young, and not nealry as strong as previous years. Hopefully the other regions are down too. Good luck, I`m rooting hard, but its not what I expected
The Section 1 schools placed 5 regulars and 3 alternates. Suffern and North Roc with 2 each (nice showing for north of the bridge) and then Yorktown, Pelham, ETB and Rye with one each. Good luck local skaters and to the whole team. Bring back some hardware.
To bad Willows, Salt, Ruthberg, King, Novick, Keagan, Clare, Touhey didn't go out.
Also, did any Mamaroneck players make the team? Did any try out?
The only Mamo players I saw at initial tryouts were Jackson at FWD and Glaser at Goalie. Neither made it to training camp.
As the suffern world turns… we just know that all of sufferns great players have graduated, we are left with a bunch of kids that don't have any varstity experience, have not put up any real #'s to brag about(except for hiller) , we don't have a goalie, and this is going to be a tough year. So Mamaroneck, Pelham and the rest of you don't even worry about us.. just keep thinking about winning that state championship!! that is where your focus should be, because we all know how GREAT you will be this year…
Welcome back, postman. Slow day at the office?
hey Postman, I know you are being sarcastic, but I saw a few Suffern players who haven't been mentioned in this blog who were on the modified team or didn't play on the varsity, playing in a summer league, they got much bigger and better since last year. It wouldn't suprise me at all to see a modified player who no one has heard of be at the top of Suffern's scoring list next season.
FINE PRINT: I am in no way a Suffern fan, player or parent.
hey I heard postman is back. and starting trouble. the dripping sarcasm. way to go postman.
Wow, a Biff sighting AND a postman sighting in the same day. What is this, February??????
hey is anyone that graduated from a section one school going on to play divison 1 or division 3 this year?
actually no, not slow at all!!! but thanks, glad to be back. Season will be here before we know it…
Just a comment on the Daniels twins here..Congrats to them, got to play for a great HS coach in Shells, and got to play for a great prep coach, former Low Tor Little Ranger and NHLer Matty Herr.
Just was on the USA hockey website, as I have an extra long lunch break today,
I noticed that many of the top players who played in U-18 national tournament were drafted including the Daniels(Mid-Fairfield) and the NY Rangers second pick Stepan was the leading scorer of the Tourney. Guess there must have been some scouts there in Buffalo.
So, just for my own curiousity I ask, why the big desire to play junior over Midget?
college,
Jake Douglas committed to play DIII next year in Massachusets
Actually two kids (Douglas & Kelly)who played for the Westchester Mariners 18 and under are playing for the same D3 team next year.
Are they going to Frahmingham State?
It is in a good league, but I would be weary of anyone going there. They had one of the worst teams in history there. It seems as if they are doing a complete overhaul. But I have talked to at least a half dozen kids that have said they have been recruited there. If thats just in our area alone, how many Mass kids are going there too? Sounds to me like they are just bringing in as many as they can much like Lebanon Valley used to, and pick from there, don't want to scare anyone, just be aware of what you are getting into.
Mickey Carroll, the former North player who went to Prep school at Trinity Pawling a couple years ago, has committed to Framingham State as well. Sounds like he may be the best player on the team nxt year if that team is as bad as they say.
I wasn't even counting him so that makes more than the half dozen I have heard of, how many new players can they possibly have?
I guess we will see in a few months how many of these players actually make the team. The team is only graduating 5 of 23, but I am sure some of the ones on the team this year will get cut.
I find it hard to believe that all the kids that are going there just picked this small mass college because they dreamt of going there. They must be going there because they think they can play. This is what happens, a team has a bad year, and all of the sudden 100 kids are like oh, I can go there and play, because their awful. The team this year was all from Mass, except 3 kids. If I were some of these kids, I would try some other place. I am trying to help, not criticize.
The team is getting rid of a bunch of kids who didn't take it serious. The coach went to a number of spring tournaments in Boston and recruited a number of players including local kids who played at those tournaments. He is a good guy who is committed to turning things around. He only took quality players who love hockey. It is up to the incoming students to work hard this summer and make the team, earn playing time etc. Decent opportunity for them to play D III hockey.
Sure great opportunity. Just dont want to see kids passing up better academic opportunities just to play or say they played D3 hockey. If the school is a good fit great, if not, go to the right school for you and play club.
The education is the key, and that school is a lower level academic situation
Perhaps this is a chance to be part of the turnaround of a D3 program. That would be a good thing.
About the schools academic situation, well…except for the Ivys and the near Ivy league schools, how many colleges today offer you near-guarunteed opportunities upon graduation. I'm sure if you keep high grades, a clean record, and good extra-curriculars, you can do well coming out of many schools.
More today than ever it is about the individual student, than what college they attended. Many ways to get ahead in life…
If its not going to work out, you should no by the end of your freshman year. In that case, you can still change schools and re-visit some of your options from the prior year for other colleges and club hockey.
unless you're going to inherit a truckload of money, it doesnt matter if you play at Framingham State, you still are left with just——a degree from Framingham State
Disagree with you 98 degrees,
along with a degree you may leave with 20 lifelong hockey friends without doing some of the crazy things you may have to do to join a fraternity.
My main concern is that some of our kids wont make this team. Again, I know how people talk and you can't believe everything, but I have talked to players and family members who say they have been recruited, no try-out necessary.
The coach may be a good guy, but I am pretty sure he has won less than 10 games in his 4 year tenure, so who knows what he is telling these kids to get them to come. These guys have to win to keep their jobs you know.
Also don't buy it that they are getting rid of a lot, unless those kids quit, it seemed like their better players last year were all fresman and sophmores anyway.
I just don't know why you play hockey your whole life and then decide I wan't to play for one of the worst D. III teams in NCAA history.
But maybe your right, maybe the should just try-out, and then transfer if they don't make it.
"I just don't know why you play hockey your whole life and then decide I wan't to play for one of the worst D. III teams in NCAA history."
I just don't know why you GO TO SCHOOL your whole life and then decide I want to go to FRAMINGHAM STATE…
Wow sounds like some bloggers are haters. How about just wishing them well and focusing on your own kid or yourself. Remember in college you can transfer if you want.
It takes a bit more than 'want' to be able to transfer to another college. I would imagine your G.P.A. and where you are coming from, and where you plan to go, play a larger role than "want"
talking about this willows kid how good can he be if he went to prep school and is now coming back to cn it just tells me he couldn't hack it at prep school and is trying to be a hero at cn
i like how everyone is making a big deal about how the daniels brothers got drafted and it was because of suffern and how suffern got them there please what did they go 1 maybe 2 years there if suffern got them there they wouldn't have went to KENT and go on to better hockey because if they didn't go to KENT and been noticed they would be just like these other posers like Conner,Sigona,Novack,King,Eck,Dantino,and all these other seniors who will probaly just be playing club hockey.
Well the Daniels actually were in the Suffern system slightly more than a year or 2- actually 4 yrs on varsity, time on modified, and what ever came before that. Suffern is just part of the trip to get where they got. I know you may not thinks so, but getting drafted is a big deal. Maybe if you took off those green with envy glasses you'ld see.
Poser? Don't be a hater and break our chops cause we are just going to college to get a education and a good job. Yes maybe we might play hockey there also.
2 funny!!!!! BTW: If Douglass and Kelley want to play D III best of luck. Go Mariners.
well if they went to KENT how can they play varsity 4 years and being drafted is a huge deal but for the daniels kids they probaly played for suffern just for fun or because it was there school team they were just players having a good time at suffern they were players being scoted and eventual stars at KENT.
to ohplease me and leave i am just making a point of how overated people are and the fact that only three big time talked about seniors are actually going somewhere with there hockey careers rui encarnaco joe regan and tom natoli oh and have fun with the mariners lot of great players have come out of that system.
btw the new leagues are a little messed up how does RTH and mahopac stay in league 1 RTH lost a good senior class and mahopac only had a win in the league and they also gave CN there only win. League 2 is like it should be but in league 3 how does byram hills stay L/P drop if L/P had a better league record then byram hills and they also beat them twice
To oh please- Two of the athletes you mentioned as posers have been recruited to play another varsity sport at the college they plan to attend next fall (Eck for football at Hamilton and Datino for LAX at Fordham). As difficult as it is to be a multisport star in HS, it is that much harder in college. Even if they wanted to pursue varsity hockey in college, their other varsity coaches might object. These guys are parlaying their athletic talent into admission at top notch colleges and universities. Some of the other posers you mentioned are attending other nationally recognised academic institutions ( aren't Conner and Salt both attending U Michigan next fall?) where I hear some plan to play very competitive club ice hockey. And, although the Daniels twins took it to the next level at Kent (and maybe even further at USHL, NCAA and beyond), they are local Sec 1 bred skaters who were a lot of fun to watch while at Suffern.
Also I hear King will pursue club hockey at Boston College, another top academic institution.
would you rather play hockey your whole life and go to school your whole life, and with no shot of ever making a living off hockey….go to Boston College, U Michigan, etc and play club and get degrees from those prestigious institutions, OR, play hockey at Framingham State, and after that, from all the time you wasted playing on the team that took away from your studies, graduate from Framingham State?
Where is Conner going?
In the paper for his Con Ed award it said he wanted to go to Michigan, but did he get in/is he going?
to fanotgame the previous poser comments had nothing to do with there person or there outside life i wish good luck to eck and datino at there other sports however they are not as good as everyone made them to be. I am not knocking them for getting into good colleges michigan u. is a tremendous school same with fordham i am however stating how they arent as good as people said they were as you see none of them are going to play D1 or D3 hockey and please don't say they are playing competitive club hockey anyone can play club hockey hence the name CLUB.
Oh please…
You have very high standards. I hope you have accomplished much in your hockey career.
The kids you knock have had tremendous athletic success. I'd sign up for what they accomplished in sports and schools right now!
to travel team certanitly for school no question about that but if your idea of club hockey is athletic success well sorry for you maybe if you are a series lacrosse player or football player you might want to be like them but certanitly not of your a series hockey player
however to all the lohud typers on this page the comments about the posers was yes a little inapproppriate [hope i spelled that right] i was just trying to make a point i didn't mean to knock there accomplishments of going on to great colleges even though hs hockey is not as competitive as travel hockey i still love to watch it and i like to chat about it
at some schools, club hockey is very difficult to make and IS athletic success. oftentimes, players cut from the real varsity teams play club. and BC and Michigan have pretty good college hockey teams wouldnt you say?
if you are old enough, I hope you were (are) smart enough to not reproduce, because it sounds like the standards are a top five academic school that has a top five DI hockey program (not sure that actually exists) Based on your above comments about the daniels:
"like how everyone is making a big deal about how the daniels brothers got drafted" I guess unless they also go to Harvard, it's no big deal- but i'm sure you would comment that Harvard is not really a top DI hockey power, so they are posers-:)
Hey oh please,
Do you really think that Rui, Reagan, Natoli are going somewhere! It's not happening…. They will enjoy their year or so playing Juniors but in the end they will play club hockey somewhere. They're good but not GREAT! It's just not happening.
If you know anything about high level Junior programs and High level Prep schools around the country, the competition is unbelieveable and cut throat. DO you really think that the Daniel boys are going to have an easy time in Juniors???
agree with nearly all that you said "Smell the Coffee" except, why was Rui listed? I understand that Reagan and Natoli are the top goalies in the area in HS, but Rui isnt even a top 3 forward in the section
to the person who wrote to me club is not competitive it is just not to oh pretty please lol it is a huge deal the daniels got drafted but what i dont like how suffern acted like it was a huge contribute it was just there school team KENT really helped them and to smell the coffee at least the three names i mentioned have a shot at doing something and yes i think the daniels brothers will do rather well
Honestly-who cares what you like
To oh please- I don't think many readers and contributors to this blog think success at Section 1 hockey equates to success at the NCAA level. Most, if not all, recognise the long odds facing HS hockey players, where even DIII coaches recruit to the far corners of the earth. But, all of the players mentioned above gave their fans a lot to cheer about and a lot for us to write and read about. HS hockey is great entertainment, and in the end, that is what sports is supposed to be. HS sports has the added benefits of (i)that special sports team comraderie with a group of kids the players grew up with and (ii) playing in front of family and friends. And hockey is the most "team" oriented sport I know. By my view, HS hockey is a pretty cool thing. No need to degrade it or any participant in it.
Fanotgame,
I agree with you! As a parent of a hockey player. A hockey player who played both Juniors and high school hockey at the same time. I have to say that the most joy I had was watching his high school games.
Smell the Coffee= a certain parent of a certain WP player
OH Please Mahopac was a very young team last year, they will be better this year and a little more competitive. They did have a solid first line last year with perrelle and mastocola and they are both returning it they both stay healty and play on the same line together it will be an ok year or mahopac. T
Lets not go down this club hockey thing again, it is extrememely competitive. Just take a look at St. Thomas Aquinas. They are a d. 3 club team and they have some players that were very good high school players when they played in our league like Nyacks George Petronelli, and a couple of Jersey and Long Island kids and their team got destroyed all year.
I support all these kids who are trying to play, it only benefits us. Nothing would be greater than for all the kids that are going to Framingham to make the team, it will only open up doors for others in our area.
Oh and Mahopac will be fine next year, they have depth in goal, and solid two way fowards and a great coach.
I am just weary that all of the sudden a team that is all from Mass is going to take on a handful of section 1 NY kids.
http://www .collegehockeyrecruits.com – if you go to this website it shows who committed to div. 3 schools for next year—for framingham – carroll and douglass are on there but no kelly – most of the other kids are all from junior teams
Wolverine, from what i heard Conner is going to Miami university (Ohio), i think he is most likely playing club, he seemed to have no interest in pursuing any college hockey past that level
Thanks for the site Framingham, thats awesome, it looks like they recruited a whole team. Still means nothing, i saw on that site they had the recruits from 2007. I just picked a team at random – Lake Forest, less than half the kids who were recruited by Lake Forest actually made the 2007/2008 roster.
I still laugh at Lebanon Valley, since their existance, they have recruited everyone, and when you posted this site, I immediately checked, and yep, they lead the list again in recruits, but eventually kids figure it out, and after a a few good years they have been week for a while.
I think Carrol will make it, I have never seen Douglas play. I am sure many more will be trying out than on this intitial list
i agree with kids going on to play club i mean who is it hurting they still get to play hockey and there getting a good college education
heres a question why is the 92 state championship for suffern going to the hall of fame at utica i am wondering did something great happen that year or do all state championships go to the hall at utica
common sense-
This is copied & pasted from my previous post responding to the same question:
The simple answer is yes, eventually every team gets inducted and it looks like this year it is the 1992 champs' turn. Here is the link to the Hall of Fame website: http://www.nyshshca.org/halloffame.htm which shows all of the individuals & teams that have been inducted. The only Section 1 representatives in there currently are John Orlando & John Zegras (the former long-time Rye coach for those of you that haven't been around long enough to remember him).
The '92 Suffern team, though, was a HUGE deal. Even though Section 1 hasn't won any state titles since, the guys from down here are getting respect from the upstate teams and coaches nowadays (based on the fact that teams other than Suffern are being invited to play upstate teams and also have a presence in the state rankings). Up until '92, no one from down here got any respect for being good, including Suffern who routinely went upstate to tournaments and had an annual presence in the state tourney.
That year, Suffern was 3-3 heading into Christmas and then flew to Norway for a tournament over Christmas break. They swept all three Norwiegan teams they played and didn't lose another game all year. In the championship game, the smallest kid on Massena had a couple inches and about 25 pounds on the biggest kid on Suffern, so to say physically it looked like a mis-match is an understatement (for those of you that watch South Park, it looked like the episode where the kids from South Park had a game against the Colorado Avalanche). And not only did they manage to keep pace with Massena, but they were able to pull it out in OT, where Suffern did not usually have a whole lot of luck. It really was an amazing season.
Assuming the induction ceremony will have John Orlando getting up to speak about that weekend in Utica, it's not something you would want to miss. Hopefully most of the '92 team will be able to make it up there, and hopefully Section 1 will be well represented in the tourney this year and there will be even more people who will get to see them inducted.
Here were the sections top freshmen,sophmores,juniors,and seniors this past year in my opinion. Now I picked these players on points and playoff performances and overall play. Now I know not everyone will like these selections so please give me your opinons and I have no relation to any of these players I am just a huge HS fan and folks I am only doing this to see who you the other fans thought were the best freshmen,sophmores,juniors,and seniors this past year. In fact I encourage all of you to make your own list. So here is my top 2 freshmen and my top 3 sophmores ,juniors,and seniors from this past year.[read them in my next blog]
For freshmen Tyler Gyscek from Mahopac was the only freshman to make H.M. all league and had 24 points which was third on his team and in the playoffs had 2 goals in a 3-1 win and had a goal and an assist in a 7-2 loss.
Richie Prunesti of New Rochelle now I know is L4 player but was the only freshman to make all league and was the only freshmen in the top 25 in the section in scoring also in the playoffs had 4 goals and an assist
For sophmores Mike Miller of Brewster had 60 points which led his team and in the playoffs had 4 goals and an assist in a 7-6 loss.
Mike Miller of Brewster had 60 points which led his team in scoring and in the playoffs had 4 goals and an assist in a 7-6 loss.
my pc is having trouble so here are the top players
FRESHMAN-Tyler Gyscek and Richie Prunesti
SOPHMORES- Mike Miller and Mike DeLavergne and Alex Hagen
Juniors- Sean Hagen and Luke Glaser and Zac Hiller
SENIORS- Brian Conner and Cody King and Jordan Eck
Prunesti had 4 goals and an assist when New Ro lost to WP in the playoffs 7-6. Are you getting them confused or did Miller do that exact same thing
folks if you want to ask any questions why I chose these players I will be happy to explain to you I had reasons why but the computer won't let me submit them I guess there too long so like I said if you want to ask any questions why I chose these players I will be happy to explain.
to ??? miller had 4 goals vs yorktown and Prunesti had 4 goals vs White Plains
Checked myself, you were right.
I think Prunesti was in a class by himself as a freshman last season. I would throw Scarsdale's Olivario in the soph mix last year. Also RTH's Urban had a strong jr. campaign and McIndoe was all state as a jr. last year. You got some of the seniors right, except you forgot a bunch of all state players including Natoli, Salt, Ojeda and Rogers. Tough to short rank that special senior class.
well as i said i go by playoffs too and urban i dont think played and natoli was outplayed by glaser if you ask me glaser is all state
however olivero did have a good season he would be a top 5 sophmore
Th freshman are difficult to predict, although i like your freshman selections and they certainly rank at the top of most lists.
But sure enough there are some freshman not talked about much because they played on real strong teams with limited ice time, or weaker teams that lacked any supporting cast to help them.
I agree this was a good senior class, but I cannot say it was special "talentwise". The preceding senior class of Rich Willows, Big Shuman, the Suffern seniors, that scarsdale senior, (the names escape me) were just as good and I expect prominent seasons from many seniors this next season.
Now that I had a chance to look it up…that would be Nick Clark and Chris Wynne (2nd team all state?) from Suffern and Jordan Bloom from Scarsdale. Other significant players from the 2007 senior group included Giullmette and Perlowitz from Ossining and a very good group of Fordham Prep seniors.
This is a good discussion and only proves the strength of the section year-after-year.
to travel team no doubt seniors were hard to pick I picked pretty much on there playoff performances since they all had great regular seasons and for freshmen I picked those two because they were the only two who were all league and to be fair Gyseck had 2 of the 3 goals in there playoff win and Prunesti was in the White Plains one of the best players out there having 4 goals so both freshmen showed they had the potential to be great can't wait to see what those two next year
So anybody have any thoughts on which teams are for real and will have a good season and which teams are fake and are not as goood as they are said to be.
I think in league 1 it will be mamaroneck,suffern,pelham,rye,mahopac,white plains,RTH,jay
Mamaroneck only lost conner [even though he was a huge part] they have the best goalie and one of the best defensemen white plains will drop alot due to there key loses of sigona and rui also RTH will fold due to there senior class loss and jay came only in front of mahopac and CN last year and they lost 8 seniors this year so I give them last and Mahopac only moves up a little
I think in league 2 it will look like this North Rockland,C.North, Brewster,Mt.Pleasent,Brewster,ETB,Scarsdale,Yorktown. North Rockland has the best player in the league in Sean O'Conner,if C.North gets willows back they will be a powerhouse Brewster and Mt.Pleasent each lost 6 seniors but are still good for ETB if they don't find a goalie this year in a better league Hagen can't carry them that far Scarsdale still has Olivero but week goalies and yorktown is last because they lost 9 seniors and the top 4 scorers on the team last year were seniors
I think in league 3 it will look like this New Rochelle,Pawling,Ossining,Byram Hills,Somers/NS,Clarkstown S,Fox Lane. New Rochelle will have 8 Seniors this year so there experienced and had one of the best freshmen becoming a sophmore next year according to fanotgames comments. Pawling I was going to put third but i have learned Ossining is losing there goalie and star defensemen adian mchugh apparently. Hills will have a decent team and another good freshmen Eric Basmanajian will have to step up this year ans Somers/NS Joe Marasco will due some damage and Clarkstown S. and Fox Lane I think will have bad seasons.
Gus Harms on Pelham was one of the best freshmen in the entire section last year. He started on one of the best defensive units in the entire state last year and was very solid. Pelham's defensemen usually dont have high point totals so don't disregard him because he doesnt have a ton of assists.
Gus Harms on Pelham was one of the best freshmen in the entire section last year.
-debatable
He started
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on one of the best defensive units in the entire state last year
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Gus Harms might have been good but the best freshmen were the two I mentioned because one of them made all league and one made HM all league and they both had to work for it since they both played for worse teams than Pelham
Also Harms you could argue was good and in the top 5 for freshmen ,but Gyseck had 24 points in league 1 on a weak Mahopac team and Prunesti had 50 points which outscored the entire Pelham team.
I think there were alot of sophmore's that had a good season that should be on the list. Cambria, Pese, Mastrocola. That is just to name a few. Gyseck had a good year because he played with the two best forwards on the Mahopac team Perrlle and Mastrocola. Anyone would have had a good season playing with those two. He just had to go to the net and get the puck passed to him, he got the credit but they did all the work. As for the H.M the coach must really like him what could i say.
Put Gyseck on the second line with any of the other forwards he would not have had that many points. He is a good player but not superstar.
Well I could have picked Cambria but I think he was overshadowed by King. The ones I picked were the MVP's on their teams and had good playoffs I haven't checked but did Cambria ,Pese, Mastrocola have good playoffs and Gyseck may have good players so I guess a better freshmen could be Eric Basmanajian of Byram Hills who had 25 points on a weak team ,however I think my pick on Prunesti for freshmen and Hagen and Mike DeLavergne for sophmore were accurate
common sense says:
July 2nd, 2008 at 10:12 am
"well as i said i go by playoffs too and urban i dont think played and natoli was outplayed by glaser if you ask me glaser is all state"
I guess if it were up to you the three all-state plaques Natoli earned (not to mention the only goalie in NYSHS history to be 1st team goalie 2 years in a row) would belong elsewhere. Anything but common.
to smack this
Urban didn't play due to injury in the playoffs and if he did he had no points and didn't glaser beat natoli when it counted the most and glaser made 41 saves against white plains and 26 saves against ETB also he had 7 shutouts this year [more than natoli] dosen't that deserve some notice
Dear-Dear Mr. Harms,
If you have spent more than 10 minutes on these blogs you would know I have no relation to the harms family.
Gus Harms was one of the 4 rotating D-Men all year, switching in with Mamone, Dzenis and Clay 1st half and Duffy second half.
Pelham routinely played solid defense, limiting the best offensive teams opportunities. Pelham gave up 587 shots last year, about 22 per game. Suffern Gave up 639, about 24 per game, Rye gave up 713 shots, around 26 per game, Mamo gave up 779, around 28 per game. Thousand Islands gave up 749 , which was about 32 per game. lol
Common Sense,
It's hard to compare forwards with defensemen. Sure Prunesti had more points than anyone on Pelham last year, but Pelham never has had individual high point totals. Even though players like Flory and Emerson had less than Prunesti's 50 I still think that they are better than him. They played league 1 games all year and only played one league 3 team all year, which was in the playoffs, and didn't play a league 4 team all year. All I was saying is that Harms, in my opinion, has to be considered in the elite freshmen conversation.
My mistake, S/NS was league 4. So Pelham played one league 4 team and no league 3 teams.
In regards to Harms and some of the other players lets get one fact straight. All league selections are skewed. Its based on where you finish in your specific league. League 1 is usually dominated by Suffern and Mamaroneck. The top two teams in the standings get like 4 and 3 all league selections. The third place team may get two and everyone else gets 1. There a formula. Therefore, even though a team like Rye won the Section, they finished fourth in the league, league 1, behind Suffern, Mamaroneck,and Pelham, and only got maybe one or two? All League selections. Take the winners of leagues 2, 3, and 4. Its safe to say Rye was better than those teams. They each got 4 All League selections. Lets take it a step further, the second place teams in League 2, 3, and 4 got more All league selections according to the formula than Rye got. So, please, lets weight it properly. Getting back to Harms, Pelham had inexperienced goaltending again this season and played a rough league 1 and rough nonleague schedule and gave up about 2+ goals per game with that goaltending so I would assume that the defenseman are pretty good players
Here is the 5 freshmen I would pick as the all freshmen team [3 fowards and 2 defensemen] Fowards= Tyler Gyscek, Richie Prunesti, and Dan Broderick Defense= Eric Basmanijan and Gus Harms
I do remember Mastrocola being a standout at the suffern playoff game against Mahopac. I do remember he was the talk amongst our suffern parents no other player except the goalie impressed me. Not the biggest kid on the ice but it seemed size did not matter to him, he definatley hustled the whole game. He should be a standout this seaon. Good luck to him and to all the returning Mahopac Varsity Team.
Sufferen Parent
To sec1 fan good point about Harms however even though Pelham is a defensive team I think Emerson and Flory who are juniors should rack up more points with a better team then Prunesti who is a freshmen on a weaker team with not many weapons. So I think Emerson and Flory in my eyes didn't have great seasons I think they'll light it up as seniors next year.
Enough with next year! Lets pump up the ESG team!
Common Sense,
You can view team strength in terms of point production in a few different ways. You say that with a worse team that players are destined to have lesser point totals. I say that a better team, with 3 quality forwards that share the point scoring, that plays against MUCH higher level opponents are destined to have LOWER point production. I mean with more competition to get points on a league 1 team line, which are harder to come by than in league 4, it is MUCH easier to be a superstar and have a ton of points in league 4. I don't think anyone would disagree with me. Marc Flory as a freshman scored a goal in EVERY playoff game INCLUDING the state semi-final loss to the state championship clinton warriors. That is more impressive than 50 points against league 4 teams.
How did Gluck beat out Glaser , they are not in the same ballpark, Glaser head to head took Gluck apart twice.sounds fishy, Gluck must have lots of money!!!!!!!!!!!!1 or big pull on ESCOaches
Mamaroneck Coach
You must be thinking about the wrong Gluck. The one who made the Empire team played half an exhibition game vs. Mama and gave up 1 goal (in a 2-1 loss) and played half of a regular season game and gave up 2 goals (in a 6-3 loss). Which games were you watching.
my mistake, he gave up zero goals the first game
To sec1 fan good point about it being easier to lite it up in league 4 ,however many league 4 stars proved they could handle other teams as Marasco in the regular season had a couple of goals vs Mahopac and a goal and assist agaainst Pelham in the playoffs and Prunesti in the playoffs against a league 2 White Plains team who beat League 1 teams including Rye who beat Pelham twice, Prunesti had 4 goals and an assist so I think some league 4 players and maybe even league 3 players are overlooked because of the league they are in
Just shows you how weak the goal tending eally is. Glaser and Gluck are no Reagan and Natoli. End of STORY! I doubt Glaser or Gluck are good enough to play any Junior A teams and I doubt that either one one ever make a Junior B team. What a joke…...
common sense,
Cambria had a tremendous playoff run against Stepinac. Where King had the game tying and winning goals in the final. It was the play of Cambria and King that helped put Iona over the top. With less than two minutes to go in the game, Cambria took the puck from behind the Stepinac net and hit King coming down the middle for a one timer. Then in overtime, Cambria tied up Yankowski at the red line which allowed King to take the put in and get the winner past Reagan! His unselfish play was a big reason why Iona won. Next year, he has to be considered one of the TOP juniors and overall High School hockey players in the area.
I agree with A Player,
Cambria will definitely be the top player on Iona's team next year. The only question is how many games will he miss for Iona. He's on Applecore's Junior B team which I'm sure will cause conflicts with the High School games. But overall, Cambria will be one of the Top players in Westchester next year.
to section1, I don't think he will miss much games at all because Rui played Junior B for Applecore last year and he didn't miss that much games did he?
to a player, Cambria did do all those things and will probaly be the best on Iona next year however King still finished top scorer on Iona and when people thought of Iona they thought of King first, Cambria second
common sense,
Taking nothing away from King. Because in his years at Iona, he was one of the best. Not only a great High School player but was well thought of in the Travel world. He was a great skater and a great kid. Surprised he didn't go Prep School and try to hook onto a D1 team. Has the size,speed and desire (But that's a topic he and his parents can only answer)!
But back to Cambria…..Cambria has all the tools like King, might not be as fast but he's real smart and knows how to play the game. Should be fun to watch next year.
to section1… Do you think King could have done well in prep school or do you think he would have struggled and do you think if he went to play prep he could have been playing D1 or D3 instead of club. Also yes Cambria should be great to look at ,and he and Iona I think will take the CHSHL title very easy ,especially since Regan left Stepinac and Fordham And Farrel didn't look like they got better either.
That Catholic league was weak last year, Iona was pretty good, Stepinac was slightly above average. Hopefully the league will improve
How can it, Iona is still good but they lost their leading scorer and Stephinac lost their whole team with Reagan leaving and Fordham lost Fusco. So the standings will look like this
Iona
Farrel
Molloy
Stephinac
Fordham
The Rest
I thought they had no goalie. Did they find one?
common sense,
I know there were a few Prep Schools interested in King at the end of his junior year at Iona, but I don't think his parents wanted him to go that route. I think they realized that D1 was possible but most likely was not going to happen even if he attended a Prep School.As you know, even after Prep school, the D1 teams want you to play juniors for a year or two before starting your college career. (That's what Northeasten did with the Daniel boys).
Anyway,I hear King is going to Boston College and trying out for their club hockey team. He also got in their business school. So he must of earned some good grades. Good luck to him because he was a pleasure to watch.I'm sure he made the right decison for himself.
To Iona,
Iona will not really need a goalie with their fowards being pretty good and considering no team in that league has good goaltending I think this year will be a down year for the CHSHL and in our section you'll see public schools with more wins over catholic schools instead of it usually being the other way and who ever wins the CHSHL will get smoked by the Buffalo catholic champ who will probaly be St.Joes
common sense,
Agree with some of your analysis but not all. First of all, joining the CHL this year is St.Anthony's who beat out St. Mary's last year for the the NY State Independent Championship. So they will be the favorite to win the CHSHL.
Second of all, I really doubt that many public schools in League 1 would be able to beat Iona next year. Iona is loaded up. May be losing King, McCabe and DiMario, but 15 of their returning players are playing travel hockey next year.These players are either on a Midget Major level or Junior Level (Brewster or Applecore), so they have some skaters. Don't think there are that many High school programs out there that have that many travel players. Do you know of any?
Iona, will have three decent forward lines and will be 6 deep at defense. They even have three players moving up from JV who are going to make the team even stronger. With three strong lines they will be able to make their goalie look good. Also, what I here is Iona picked up a goalie that plays on a lower junior team up in Brewster, so I think they will be very competitive.
But you're right about Stepinac and Fordham. Lost to much, might be a long season for both those teams.
To CHSHL update
Iona might be a good team, however now that you tell me St.Anthonys has joined I think they should win the league because they beat out St.Marys and St.Marys beat Iona 9-2 last year. So there will be four decent CHSHL teams [St.Anthonys,Iona,Farrel,and Molloy] however I think some public schools can beat or at least give those teams a good game and I think some public leagues will be more entertaning to watch and to determine the champs it will come down to the wire.
I have learned from one of the spring coaches that the blogs were boycotted, If you check the spring sports blogs, you will see they are sparse. The ADs met with all the parents and kids and told them to stay off.
These hockey blogs are very imformative and helpful sometimes.
So please, lets not slam anyone, and keep everything in good taste, so these blogs continue,
thanks
Blogs are boycotted by whom? By the AD's….Who cares! The hockey blog, even with the off season, has more activity then the other blogs. These blogs aren't for the coaches or the AD's it's for the Hockey community to speak their mind as long they are not fowl. Very seldom do I see bashing unless it's someone who is jealous of someone else.
To Lower leagues
What comments slam anyone
Next the AD's from the lower leagues will be telling the parents what to eat and wht time to send their kids to bed!......Give me a break! That's funny….
Common Sense,
Im not saying we should look over the players, but what you were saying was that 50 points against a league 4 schedule, playing against 0 state ranked teams is more impressive than Emerson and Flory putting up 40 and 38 points respectively against a schedule that played 9 state ranked opponents.
Im not saying slamming is going on, I am just telling you what has happened, and if you look at this years spring blogs compared to last, you will see a major drop off,
I agree its pretty ridiculous that Ads have tried to monitor this, and by the numbers it looks like people are listening,
but your probably right, as we know the community is its own entity, and will probably be strong forever.
To Sec1 fan
Ok I can maybe agree with the League 4 thing even though the kid was a freshmen I still think the Pelham kids had not so great seasons just look at Hiller and Salt from Suffern who played just as good of competition as Pelham and they both had 65 and 66 points
Scoring 40 or 50 points in League 3 and 4 is a joke. If you are one of the top players in League 3 or 4 then you should be averaging 4-5 points a game which means that by season end, you should have almost 100 points.
They will be good next year, but the didnt beat any Section 1 teams last year did they?
To get real
Don't you think a player in league 3 and 4 will have a tougher time scoring because they are on a league 3 or 4 team with not nearly as much good players a person on league 1 or 2 would have
If Prunesti or any other L4 star had 4-5 points a game he would get bashed as a stat player who likes showing off. And I agree it is harder to get 40 points in L1 then 50 in L4, and Prunesti had a very good L1 caliber line with Starpoli and Martinetti. But maybe some teams, though probably not yours, don't play their top players if they are blowing a team out. And New Ro didn't give up alot of goals, but when they did against WP and he was trying to score the whole game, he did get 5 points. What did your star player do against WP?
I don't want to say what team I'm with because then my identidy would be given away however how cam you say getting 4-5 points a game is showing off I mean if your in a close game, your not going to score because you don't want to show off
to get real
I don't know exactly what are you trying to say about L4 players in your latest blog you said that "And New Ro didn't give up alot of goals, but when they did against WP and he was trying to score the whole game, he did get 5 points". I am just wondering was it bad to get 5 points in the playoff game or is that just showing off? Also L1 and L2 are yes obviouly better but many L3 and L4 teams beat or gave L1-2 teams tough times in the playoffs ETB beat Scarsdale, North Rockland beat Mt.Pleasent, New ro lost to WP by a goal SH/I beat CN I mean it wasn't like league 3-4 were terrible leagues they both had decent teams.